Comments on: How Much Did Dale Tallon Hurt Chicago Last Summer? – Bird Watchers Anonymous http://www.mcsorleys-stick.com/2009/07/how-much-did-dale-tallon-hurt-chicago-last-summer-bird-watchers-anonymous/ Fact or opinion? Exactly. Mon, 20 May 2013 04:59:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: qwisp http://www.mcsorleys-stick.com/2009/07/how-much-did-dale-tallon-hurt-chicago-last-summer-bird-watchers-anonymous/#comment-87 qwisp Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:01:02 +0000 http://kwisp.wordpress.com/?p=1640#comment-87 It turns out that nhlnumbers is for some reason counting the Rathje numbers in the PHI cap hit. Which makes no sense because it should be completely off the books. I think the problem is that PHI is the ONLY team in the league with any LTIR (long-term-injured-reserve) on the books, so it literally doesn’t come up except in the case of PHI. It makes no sense to me that nhlnumbers would, for example, list the salaries of players not with the big club i.e. AHL players — but not include them in the cap total since they aren’t “on the roster”– and yet not do the same with LTIR. Again, I think it’s because no-one is on LTIR, league-wide, except Rathje.

I have subtracted the LTIR from the PHI totals in the version of the chart I posted above. Note that the result is, instead of Philly being about a mil over the cap, they are about 2 under the cap, with 5 players left to sign. That’s an average of $400K per signing, which is just as impossible as having no room. Therefore, the outcome is the same. They will have to dump somebody.

If their idea in Philly is to go exactly to the cap ceiling and hope for the best, they could promote and/or re-sign all of their prospects and that would cost them no less than $3MM, using PHI’s own figures. Assuming they have 2.1MM in cap space, this means they will be $900K over the cap. In order to get under the cap, they have to dump someone and replace that someone with a body that’s $900K cheaper. If Philly is trying to avoid dumping one of their star players, there are exactly two players on the team who aren’t stars with big contracts and yet whose contracts are big enough to get them the cap space they need, and that’s Jones and Carle.

Underline: $2MM of cap space to sign (or promote from AHL) 5 players. That still puts them in, as you put it in your comment on the other board, “one of the worst cap situations in the league.” Only OTT and SJS are in a worse position, with CHI right there with the three of them, depending on how you look at CHI’s bonus situation.

(re Chicago’s bonus cushion: Chicago is allowed to go over the cap during the season to pay bonuses, but the overage amount comes off of their cap ceiling the following year. In their situation, this would be suicide. Or maybe they’re thinking that somehow Kane won’t earn his bonus, which of course would be insane, and it’s his contract year to boot.)

]]> By: 4thliner http://www.mcsorleys-stick.com/2009/07/how-much-did-dale-tallon-hurt-chicago-last-summer-bird-watchers-anonymous/#comment-86 4thliner Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:43:25 +0000 http://kwisp.wordpress.com/?p=1640#comment-86 QUispy,
Is this true?, My comment and his response are below…..

The Flyers are in one of the worst cap situations in the league!!!! They are over the cap with 4 players to sign!

http://kwisp.wordpress.co…e-a-k-a-the-idiots-chart/

I would love to see Hartnell in LA, but not for JJ, I hope we get him when Philly is desperate to dump salary……… By the way Philly is my 2nd favorite team, but I think they have committed to some ugly contracts.
– 4thlinegoon

you need to look at the details in PHI, not just some random LA Kings pipe dream chart. 3.5 million of the so-called cap hit for PHI is actually LTIR for Mike Rathje – which obviously doesn’t count once the season starts. there is at least 2 million of cap space left.

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