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		<title>By: chester</title>
		<link>http://www.mcsorleys-stick.com/2012/08/when-playing-the-right-way-is-wrong/#comment-3854</link>
		<dc:creator>chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some guys just need to get out of LA and Manchester and have the opportunity to shine elsewhere, case in point, the likes of Matt Moulson and Teddy Purcell. I can list a handful of guys that are stuck playing for Manchester, that would be playing in the NHL on another team if they were not being buried in the minors under contract with LA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some guys just need to get out of LA and Manchester and have the opportunity to shine elsewhere, case in point, the likes of Matt Moulson and Teddy Purcell. I can list a handful of guys that are stuck playing for Manchester, that would be playing in the NHL on another team if they were not being buried in the minors under contract with LA.</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett79</title>
		<link>http://www.mcsorleys-stick.com/2012/08/when-playing-the-right-way-is-wrong/#comment-3553</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrett79</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2012 02:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I kinda disagree with the assessment that Murray was about puck control. When Murray coached the Kings, they played an awful lot of dump-and-don&#039;t-bother-chasing. I remember many a time when Handzus would steal the puck in the neutral zone, have plenty of time to make a play, but instead would just flip it back down for the other team to try again to beat that defense-first/defense-only system.

Handzus also got a lot of praise for playing in the system. A guy like Dustin Brown, on the other hand, would regularly try to single-handedly deke his way around two or three defenders and inevitably lose control of the puck. I don&#039;t recall Brown ever having once been benched for even a period by Murray. Frolov would make one bad defensive play and not only would he not see the ice again that game, he&#039;d spend the next one in the stands.

It&#039;s these kinds of things that make me thank the Maker Murray finally had his ass canned this year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kinda disagree with the assessment that Murray was about puck control. When Murray coached the Kings, they played an awful lot of dump-and-don&#8217;t-bother-chasing. I remember many a time when Handzus would steal the puck in the neutral zone, have plenty of time to make a play, but instead would just flip it back down for the other team to try again to beat that defense-first/defense-only system.</p>
<p>Handzus also got a lot of praise for playing in the system. A guy like Dustin Brown, on the other hand, would regularly try to single-handedly deke his way around two or three defenders and inevitably lose control of the puck. I don&#8217;t recall Brown ever having once been benched for even a period by Murray. Frolov would make one bad defensive play and not only would he not see the ice again that game, he&#8217;d spend the next one in the stands.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s these kinds of things that make me thank the Maker Murray finally had his ass canned this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Quisp</title>
		<link>http://www.mcsorleys-stick.com/2012/08/when-playing-the-right-way-is-wrong/#comment-3548</link>
		<dc:creator>Quisp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 01:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just don&#039;t think Murray was/is a good motivator. There was too much distance between him and the players. Sutter changed that. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just don&#8217;t think Murray was/is a good motivator. There was too much distance between him and the players. Sutter changed that. </p>
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		<title>By: Uni</title>
		<link>http://www.mcsorleys-stick.com/2012/08/when-playing-the-right-way-is-wrong/#comment-3546</link>
		<dc:creator>Uni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember you mentioning on JftC way back about how the Kings were &quot;boring&quot; to watch. I wasn&#039;t nearly as bored once Sutter got settled in and the Kings at least appeared to be playing with greater freedom and creativity. I wonder if Lombardi picked up on the &quot;boring&quot; part at all, or if that type of perspective even registers with him?


I bring this up not only because as you said the leash was shorter, but wonder to what extent the players were bored themselves, frustrated with Murray&#039;s system and famously &quot;gripping their sticks too hard&quot; as a result. 


I know DL reportedly called the team out after the firing, but he had to do that. What good would a scapegoat do? I feel like not only was the leash shorter but all the elements of the perfect storm were there and DL had to notice that the &quot;character&quot; team he had built was not rising to occasion, and no matter where he put the blame, there had to be something dulling their productivity, and perhaps their spirit. And given the kinds of guys he assembled into a team, it couldn&#039;t just be character flaws, again despite his public wondering if he had put together the right group, which again I think is more tough love, buck up mind games for the players. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember you mentioning on JftC way back about how the Kings were &#8220;boring&#8221; to watch. I wasn&#8217;t nearly as bored once Sutter got settled in and the Kings at least appeared to be playing with greater freedom and creativity. I wonder if Lombardi picked up on the &#8220;boring&#8221; part at all, or if that type of perspective even registers with him?</p>
<p>I bring this up not only because as you said the leash was shorter, but wonder to what extent the players were bored themselves, frustrated with Murray&#8217;s system and famously &#8220;gripping their sticks too hard&#8221; as a result. </p>
<p>I know DL reportedly called the team out after the firing, but he had to do that. What good would a scapegoat do? I feel like not only was the leash shorter but all the elements of the perfect storm were there and DL had to notice that the &#8220;character&#8221; team he had built was not rising to occasion, and no matter where he put the blame, there had to be something dulling their productivity, and perhaps their spirit. And given the kinds of guys he assembled into a team, it couldn&#8217;t just be character flaws, again despite his public wondering if he had put together the right group, which again I think is more tough love, buck up mind games for the players. </p>
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		<title>By: USHA#17</title>
		<link>http://www.mcsorleys-stick.com/2012/08/when-playing-the-right-way-is-wrong/#comment-3535</link>
		<dc:creator>USHA#17</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 15:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point about keeping the project in check.  More so given the organization&#039;s history of arriving at jump off point only to lose discipline.  

I felt Johnson played a one man &quot;I&#039;ll save poor Nell&quot; game.  I imagine Lombardi was relieved when Johnson set that mentality aside when filling in for Doughty (I know I was).   

&quot;How often&quot; may be playing out a second time with Bernier.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point about keeping the project in check.  More so given the organization&#8217;s history of arriving at jump off point only to lose discipline.  </p>
<p>I felt Johnson played a one man &#8220;I&#8217;ll save poor Nell&#8221; game.  I imagine Lombardi was relieved when Johnson set that mentality aside when filling in for Doughty (I know I was).   </p>
<p>&#8220;How often&#8221; may be playing out a second time with Bernier.  </p>
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		<title>By: Quisp</title>
		<link>http://www.mcsorleys-stick.com/2012/08/when-playing-the-right-way-is-wrong/#comment-3533</link>
		<dc:creator>Quisp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 05:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my opinion, the team was ready for a coaching change as early as the previous year but in 2010-11 there was no Mike Richards, and Doughty wasn&#039;t getting $7MM a year. Lombardi committed himself to a higher standard with that trade and contract. The 2011-12 team couldn&#039;t be given as long a leash as the previous, &quot;rebuilding&quot; teams had. 

I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any significance to the timing of Murray&#039;s firing vis-a-vis the Carter/Johnson deal. Howson could hardly have traded Carter earlier, since he had only just dealt for him last summer, AND Carter was injured. Howson was certainly hoping the team would turn things around, or Carter would click with whomever, or Nash would want to stay, or some other magic fairy dust would sprinkle down from above and save him from himself. All of that worked out pretty well for Lombardi, coinciding with Voynov proving himself and Johnson having played great when Doughty was hurt. Johnson was utterly expendable, while also being an A-list trade chip. How often does that happen?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, the team was ready for a coaching change as early as the previous year but in 2010-11 there was no Mike Richards, and Doughty wasn&#8217;t getting $7MM a year. Lombardi committed himself to a higher standard with that trade and contract. The 2011-12 team couldn&#8217;t be given as long a leash as the previous, &#8220;rebuilding&#8221; teams had. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any significance to the timing of Murray&#8217;s firing vis-a-vis the Carter/Johnson deal. Howson could hardly have traded Carter earlier, since he had only just dealt for him last summer, AND Carter was injured. Howson was certainly hoping the team would turn things around, or Carter would click with whomever, or Nash would want to stay, or some other magic fairy dust would sprinkle down from above and save him from himself. All of that worked out pretty well for Lombardi, coinciding with Voynov proving himself and Johnson having played great when Doughty was hurt. Johnson was utterly expendable, while also being an A-list trade chip. How often does that happen?</p>
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		<title>By: Quisp</title>
		<link>http://www.mcsorleys-stick.com/2012/08/when-playing-the-right-way-is-wrong/#comment-3532</link>
		<dc:creator>Quisp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 05:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[King also looks like he&#039;s smiling all the time. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>King also looks like he&#8217;s smiling all the time. </p>
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		<title>By: USHA#17</title>
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		<dc:creator>USHA#17</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 21:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Three seasons ago it was pretty amazing to watch as Murray moved players up, down and sideways while always seeming to get what he needed out of his lines.  The interchangeability was remarkable.  And, not a lot went in as far as line matching during games.   

You mention loyalty to Murray, that&#039;s one thing I wondered about, the timing of the change.  Of course hindsight makes the move genus but what were the real factors behind the timing?

Could it have been finding someone available?  Waiting until the right moment when team hit bottom (in which case Lombardi cut it pretty close)?  Related to dumping Johnson and bringing in Carter (too much for Murray to handle)?  Or, some other factor(s)?

Thoughts?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three seasons ago it was pretty amazing to watch as Murray moved players up, down and sideways while always seeming to get what he needed out of his lines.  The interchangeability was remarkable.  And, not a lot went in as far as line matching during games.   </p>
<p>You mention loyalty to Murray, that&#8217;s one thing I wondered about, the timing of the change.  Of course hindsight makes the move genus but what were the real factors behind the timing?</p>
<p>Could it have been finding someone available?  Waiting until the right moment when team hit bottom (in which case Lombardi cut it pretty close)?  Related to dumping Johnson and bringing in Carter (too much for Murray to handle)?  Or, some other factor(s)?</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: USHA#17</title>
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		<dc:creator>USHA#17</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 21:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was Frolov&#039;s fault.  If only he didn&#039;t look like he was smiling all the time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was Frolov&#8217;s fault.  If only he didn&#8217;t look like he was smiling all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like that you bring up Frolov.  He&#039;s a puck control guy that took two players to get him off the puck.  Murray liked the puck control system and preached it ad-nauseum but when Fro didn&#039;t put up the numbers (he still had 19 goals on a third line his last year here), or he made one gaffe it was into the stands to watch for a game or two.  when other players made mistakes they were allowed to keep playing.  
TM had a double standard when it came to some players and that was the frustrating part of his coaching.  He did instill a great defensive mental style to the players which we in LA have NEVER seen before.  That did benefit Sutter when he came in and loosened the reigns a little and let some of them create.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like that you bring up Frolov.  He&#8217;s a puck control guy that took two players to get him off the puck.  Murray liked the puck control system and preached it ad-nauseum but when Fro didn&#8217;t put up the numbers (he still had 19 goals on a third line his last year here), or he made one gaffe it was into the stands to watch for a game or two.  when other players made mistakes they were allowed to keep playing.<br />
TM had a double standard when it came to some players and that was the frustrating part of his coaching.  He did instill a great defensive mental style to the players which we in LA have NEVER seen before.  That did benefit Sutter when he came in and loosened the reigns a little and let some of them create.</p>
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